Chinyankwazi

[fischfan13]

Lets see how good you "Cichlid-Heads" are.
Give me the names of any species that originates from Chinyankwazi Island on Malawi.

[ChrisG12887]

Pseudotropheus Flavus

[AlishanAS]

Cynotilapia afra

Labeotropheus fuelleborni

[emartin]

Cynotilapia sp. "Chinyankwazi" Chinyankwazi

[nick a]

pg #s from the 4th ed.

Tropheops sp 'chinyankwazi' (pg 79)
Metriaclima sp 'chinyankwazi' (pg 66)
Cyno. sp 'lion chinyakwazi' (pg 135)
Petro chrysos (pg 73)
placido sp 'chinyankwazi' (pg 159)

assumed :
protomelas taeniolatus (@ next door Chinyamwezi pg115)

[fischfan13]

pg #s from the 4th ed.

Tropheops sp 'chinyankwazi' (pg 79)
Metriaclima sp 'chinyankwazi' (pg 66)
Cyno. sp 'lion chinyakwazi' (pg 135)
Petro chrysos (pg 73)
placido sp 'chinyankwazi' (pg 159)

assumed :
protomelas taeniolatus (@ next door Chinyamwezi pg115)

Thread Killer.:rolleyes::woot::rolleyes:

[phillyofish]

Melanochromis brevis

[joe_jaskot]

Copadichromis mloto quasimodo (the hunchback peacock) and Labidochromis caeruleus crankyanker (the yellow bellied crank yanker) LOL!

[misterted]

Larry Johnson

[nick a]

:)

What's a guy to do--I'm sitting here at the office & the choices are look up fish or do some work--what would you choose?

[fischfan13]

Larry Johnson

The Fish Collector or the former Forward for the Hornets and Knicks?

[EMTBMIKE]

labeotropheus trewavasae chinyankwazi

[Larry Johnson]

Quote:
Originally Posted by misterted
Larry Johnson

The Fish Collector or the former Forward for the Hornets and Knicks?
No,it's me!:colrface:

Here's one for for ya!

Copadichromis borleyi

http://africancichlidforum.com/mkportal/modules/coppermine/albums/userpics/10050/Chimyankwazi%20%20Island%20%2836%29.jpg

Cheers,Larry

[misterted]

Actually he's right. The fish collector.
I figured it's his 2nd home anyway.

[Larry Johnson]

Heres another one from this Island.
I think some of you need to 'hit' the books, some
names mentioned in this thread are not from this Island!

Placidochromis milomo,taken at Chinyankwazi Island
http://cichlidkeeping.com/forums/gallery/albums/userpics/10005/Chimyankwazi__Island_(18).jpg

Cheers,Larry

[fischfan13]

Cynotilapia sp. "Chinyankwazi" Chinyankwazi

Atlantis had these...and they were BEAUTIFUL!

[EMTBMIKE]

Here is a picture of my wild caught labeotropheus chinyankwazi male
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q205/mjbradshaw/012-1.jpg

[fischfan13]

Very nice, Mike.
Is that from the recent Atlantis shipment?

[EMTBMIKE]

I bought a trio from atlantis in the beginning of Feb. I believe the ones we saw on the 28th came in a different shipment.

[Larry Johnson]

Hey Mike, are you sure that fish came from Chinyankwazi Island?

Cheers,Larry

[EMTBMIKE]

Yes I am. I got the wild caught trio from atlantis.

[nick a]

Quote:
Originally Posted by emartin
Cynotilapia sp. "Chinyankwazi" Chinyankwazi
Atlantis had these...and they were BEAUTIFUL!


YES, the are! The males go from a dark purple to a deep blue to an almost blinding bright blue/white depending on their position/mood. Here's one about 10 degrees of brightness away from his breeding colors.
http://img73.imageshack.us/img73/4068/dsc0424pj9.jpg

[Larry Johnson]

Yes I am. I got the wild caught trio from atlantis.
Hey Mike, you may want to reference your fish on the internet or Konings 3rd or 4th edition. And yes,I have found the pics that Atlantis has on their web site.
I do not doubt the fish are wild, but the location is not correct.

Cheers,Larry

[emartin]

Hey Mike, you may want to reference your fish on the internet or Konings 3rd or 4th edition. And yes,I have found the pics that Atlantis has on their web site.
I do not doubt the fish are wild, but the location is not correct.

Cheers,Larry
You're right. I just looked in Ad Konings's 4th edition and it looks nothing like the wild L. fuelleborni from Chinyankwazi variant, but more closely resembles the variant from the location of 'Makanjila', which is actually VERY CLOSE on Ad's Map of Lake Malawi to Chinyankwazi island and is probably why they are sold as that...

[EMTBMIKE]

They got the fullebrauni chinyakwazi and the trewawavasae chinyankwazi on the same shipment.

[emartin]

They got the fullebrauni chinyakwazi and the trewawavasae chinyankwazi on the same shipment.
That doesn't mean the exporters in Africa necessarily put the right location down. If you look at the map Mike on page 7 in the 4th edition of Ad's book you'd see how close those two locations really are and how a mix up could occur. Even if yours really were caught at Chinyankwazi (from a population that drifted south towards that Island from Makanjila?) they aren't the regular Chinyankwazi variant but rather the Makanjila variant.

In other words, Atlantis didn't make a mistake at all, whoever they bought the fish from did.

Still your male is a very nice specimen...

~Ed

[EMTBMIKE]

I understand what you are saying. I have never received a bad fish or mislabeled fish from atlantis. I will let you know what I find out.
MIKE

[EMTBMIKE]

I have a labeotropheus trewavasae chinyankwazi not the fullebrauni

[EMTBMIKE]

Larry where are you getting your references from?

[Larry Johnson]

Larry where are you getting your references from?
I have been to Chinyankwazi Island and dove there,,,,well I cannot remember how many times now,,,5 or was it 6 times.
I cannot ever remember seeing Labeotrpheus trewavasae at that location,
L. Feulleborni is there though and is a blue fish with a red dorsal with a blk marginal band.
I will have to check out my other dive pics from previous trips there, as I often do not take a picture of a fish that has the same color morph in more than a few locations.(like this Red Top)
I will let you know either way,,,as I'm not at home at the moment.
That doesn't mean the exporters in Africa necessarily put the right location down.
OK,let me make a comment on this one (cheerfully,this is where I love to help out!),,,these guys over there are just like you and me,,,its just not a job,they enjoy what they do.
The fish house manager gets all excited when the fish come in (pers.observation!) and he has the same 1st,2nd,3rd and 4th Edition of 'Cichlids in their Natural Habitat',,,supplied free of coarse from Cichlid Press (Ad).Definetly not in the shape you and I would keep it in! (looks like something from WW2!,,,well read!)
Remember,this exporter is the one supplying Ad with the boat,scuba compressor, boat captain and helpers and fisher man (fish collectors).
These 'guys' are also the ones we often follow to find their 'fishing' spots,where they collect.
Although Ad and I first dove at Liwani (a new spot we found in 2006) it was the boys who inevitably got the local name from the people who actually live there!
So the problem is not from the African end,although not all fish are shipped with the location,but that's up to the imported to either inquire about or ask for the location.
Some Lake wide fish it really does not matter,but where the fish can come in a variety of colors,,,it's very imortant!

Cheers,Larry

[emartin]

Some really good points Larry. What I was referring to though was I have heard of a few of the much smaller exporters for L. Tanganyika or L. Malawi sometimes put the name of the nearest town or put the name of a nearby location instead of the exact one.

Anyway I am assuming you were talking about Stuart Grant's facility? And when are your 2008 pics going to go online!?

[EMTBMIKE]

They are labeotropheus trewavasae chinyamwezi island. Chinyamwezi is about 25km's south of chinyankwazi.

[why_spyder]

If what I remember is correct, Chinyamwezi and Chinyankwazi are seperated by a large, deep barrier - this would not allow species to flow back and forth between the two islands. So L. trewavasae may not be at Chinyankwazi at all, as Larry pointed out.

[EMTBMIKE]

spyder they are labeotropheus trewavasae chinyamwezi island.

[Larry Johnson]

OK,I'm having some fun with this,SO PLEASE,no one get any wrong idea's here my intentions are not to pi$$ any one off!

L. Malawi sometimes put the name of the nearest town or put the name of a nearby location instead of the exact one.
There is NO exact 'one', the closest village may be a few kilometers away,,,this is as exact as it gets.
They also use GPS for their locations,more exact than most of us.:shocked:
I can't even operate the darn unit! Well I could if I was shown,I guess!
Also,there are no 'small exporters' they are government sanctioned and the operations of collecting in Malawi are limited to a few.
They are labeotropheus trewavasae chinyamwezi reef.Chinyamwezi is about 25km's south of chinyankwazi.
The two Islands are seperated by about 8 Km,which is about a 45 minute boat ride (at 11 km per hour),you can easily see each island from the other.
Brian is right,they are both surrounded by deep water that Mbuna cannot cross (a natural barrier).
As I sit here looking at the 4th edition,because you guys brought it up,I see the Higga reef variety in there and the L.trewavasae looks very similar (blue with black lines) to the variety found at Chinyamwezi Island.
embtmike,you're fish are definetly not from Chinyamwezi Island.
You're right. I just looked in Ad Konings's 4th edition and it looks nothing like the wild L. fuelleborni from Chinyankwazi variant, but more closely resembles the variant from the location of 'Makanjila', which is actually VERY CLOSE on Ad's Map of Lake Malawi to Chinyankwazi island and is probably why they are sold as that...
Yes the photo on Atlantis web site more closely looks like the fish from Makanjila,but the fish from there do not have a red dorsal.
I think its clear where the red dorsaled fish are from,those area's are all outlined in red on Ad's map.
Hey,I have a call to Ad lined up for tomorrow anyway so I'll double check with him.
My opinion is that there are no L.trewavasae at Chinyankwazi.
I will report back here ASAP after I speak with him.I would think that would settle it! (Ya ya,even if I'm wrong!)

Cheers,Larry

[emartin]

Well, then I've heard wrong then...! :) Either way it's nice to know now how serious they take their jobs over there and how well they do their best to label everything correctly...

~Ed

[EMTBMIKE]

Here are some pictures of the females
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q205/mjbradshaw/015-10.jpg
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q205/mjbradshaw/014-10.jpg
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q205/mjbradshaw/022-5.jpg
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q205/mjbradshaw/013-8.jpg

[Larry Johnson]

This is what I just sent Mike.:colrface:
I just got off the phone with Ad about 20 minutes ago.
He found the question very interesting! ( he was surprised at the question!)
He has been diving at Chinyankwazi Island a lot longer than I have (Of coarse!).
He said that he has only observed L.trewavasae at that location there, over the past 3 years!
We chatted over the possibility that possibly a dive team had an accidental spill there.The thinking was that Stuarts compound is in the other direction and the Red Top is found farther south,,,so why would the divers go north,out of their way,,,a long way out of their way.
Maybe it was an accidental release by the former African divers!They would be collecting in the south and travelling north!
SO,I'm HAPPY for you that I AM WRONG as it appears the Red Top variety does in fact habitat at this location!
Whether it was originally there before, now, has no bearing as its there now!

Mike sorry to have made you pull out your HAIR!
Though I'm glad to have the right answer as well for my own info.

Cheers,Larry

[why_spyder]

Good to see the new information, very interesting details!

[Larry Johnson]

I would hope that I can get the chance to dive there this year and get my own pics of this fish!
I am thinking I'm going to be stuck on Nancoma Island with the 'Stuart M Grant Conservation Project' installing "Ands".
Although Ad might save me from this for a few days and take me some where else to dive! He arrives in October!
I will be spending 2 months in Malawi working on this project.

Cheers,Larry

[emartin]

I will be spending 2 months in Malawi working on this project.
.......I swear you are the luckiest hobbyist I have ever heard of... Let alone being able to devote time and money to visit Malawi practically every year the past what...10 years? But now to spend 2 months there (besides doing volunteer work, it's still awesome!).

Anyway if you have access to internet there be sure to post us some pics of what you're doing, the ANDs, etc when you go there for the two months...

[Larry Johnson]

Anyway if you have access to internet there be sure to post us some pics of what you're doing, the ANDs, etc when you go there for the two months...
Yes,there is internet over there but the problem is getting to where I can use it!
I know there is wireless around Cape McClear but I don't think it will reach out and get to the Maleris,,,,so may have to make up a bunch of M/S word documents to save time and then just cut and paste.
Usually at some point I will get a chance to post something!

Cheers,Larry

[Larry Johnson]

If anyone wants to start a new thread about the "Ands" and the Stuart M Grant Conservation Fund,,,I would respond,,,this thread is getting off track.
Sorry,I guess I took it off track!

Cheers,Larry

[emartin]

If anyone wants to start a new thread about the "Ands" and the Stuart M Grant Conservation Fund,,,I would respond,,,this thread is getting off track.
Sorry,I guess I took it off track!

Cheers,Larry
I already did: http://forums.eastcoastcichlids.org/showthread.php?t=975

[Larry Johnson]

Hey no problem,but if we ever want to look up that thread again its easier to find when a new one is started.

Cheers,Larry

[fischfan13]

I finally got my Cyno Chinyankwazi "Chinyankwazi".
These came from the auction via donation by DavesRareFish.

nick a, are these from your stock?

[Larry Johnson]

Great! How about some pics!

Cheers

[nick a]

Yeah, they'd be babies from the WC group I got a while back. I've got 2" ers and a new batch of fry going if you need to sort out your ratios down the road.

[fischfan13]

Thank you Nick.
They are growing out in a 33g and I will definitely take you up on your offer.