not fish related but...

[Flareside]

Anyone have dogs that, well to avoid being disgusting, I will say they clean up the yard after themselves? Yup, nasty. They eat crap. In the spring and summer I can clean up the yard to solve this problem. In the winter its melts through the snow and they find it later.

I found a product on Dr Fosters and Smith website that claims to make feces taste so awful that the dogs wont eat it. Kind of ironic.
I though if something tasted awful- it was said to taste like sh*t. So sounds funny to hear of a product that promises to make sh*t taste worse than sh*t? Anyone have this type of problem with their dogs?

[eggzackary]

My dog doesn't clean up after herself....although there are times when her breath smells like she did:grhair:

[Zippo]

Mine likes rabbit crap. Poor dumb dog. Her breath also smells funky.:erm:

[lonlangione]

If your talking about the product "Potty Mouth" I have never had much success with it. Feeding a dog pineapple will help stop this. You are probably feeding a higher grade of dog food like Iam's or Science Diet. The waste from this food ironically still has a nutritional value that is one reason they eat it. Also if your dog was raised in a cage or you bought it from a pet shop in a cage, they are more apt to eat their own crap. It is very frustrating. Here is a link about this and it mentions the pineapple. It should be fresh pineapple
http://www.canadawestieclub.ca/trainbeh/coprophagy.html

Lonny

[fischfan13]

Ok, I will disagree with everything that I just read here.

Dog food is crap.
The stuff that is put into dog food is NOT meant for dogs.
Corn?
Corn meal?
Rice?
Wheat?
You are told that these foods are good for your dogs by your vet. Your vet goes to school and who tells them this...the same people who bag your dog food---Science Diet.
Science Diet trucks back up into almost every single vets office in this country. They have huge exclusive contracts with vets to sell their foods there....foods that are not meant for dogs. You are better off if you let your dog sift thru your garbage than eat bagged dog food.

It takes a dog about 6-8 hours to digest the food in a bag. The reason why it takes so long, because their canine intestines and stomach are not meant to break down the crap and fillers placed in dog food. If fed the way that mother nature intended these "animals" to eat then it would take about 30 minutes to digest their foods.
What am I talking about?
Here is an example...
Most breeders of show dogs, including the last few winners of the National Westminster Dog Show, do not feed dog food. They feed their dogs BARF (Bones and Raw Food)...or by the prey method.
I can go on explaining this for hours, but I would rather let you read...
http://www.njboxers.com/faqs.htm
This is the "bible" of raw feeding.
I am always more than happy to help anyone who wants to switch over and feed raw food to their cats or dogs. Most people will tell me that they do not have the time to bag foods and freeze them...this I do not understand.

BTW, one more thing...
The reason why your dog wants to eat its own crap is because of the undigested matter that went from the bag thru its intestines and onto the ground.

Here is a question to ask yourself...
If a dog was on its own and stumbled upon a stalk of corn and a poultry carcass which would it choose to eat?

[Bev N]

I won't agrue that your right or wrong but I have a 165 lb dog. If they say to feed 3% of their body weight daily that is about 5 lbs a day or 35 lbs a week. At a cost of $3.75 per pound plus shipping that is over $160.00 a week! Naaaahhh...that can't be right. I am up waiting for fish and I'm really tired so I'm probably not getting it right.

[emartin]

Ok, I will disagree with everything that I just read here.

Dog food is crap.
The stuff that is put into dog food is NOT meant for dogs.
Corn?
Corn meal?
Rice?
Wheat?
You are told that these foods are good for your dogs by your vet. Your vet goes to school and who tells them this...the same people who bag your dog food---Science Diet.
Science Diet trucks back up into almost every single vets office in this country. They have huge exclusive contracts with vets to sell their foods there....foods that are not meant for dogs. You are better off if you let your dog sift thru your garbage than eat bagged dog food.

It takes a dog about 6-8 hours to digest the food in a bag. The reason why it takes so long, because their canine intestines and stomach are not meant to break down the crap and fillers placed in dog food. If fed the way that mother nature intended these "animals" to eat then it would take about 30 minutes to digest their foods.
What am I talking about?
Here is an example...
Most breeders of show dogs, including the last few winners of the National Westminster Dog Show, do not feed dog food. They feed their dogs BARF (Bones and Raw Food)...or by the prey method.
I can go on explaining this for hours, but I would rather let you read...
http://www.njboxers.com/faqs.htm
This is the "bible" of raw feeding.
I am always more than happy to help anyone who wants to switch over and feed raw food to their cats or dogs. Most people will tell me that they do not have the time to bag foods and freeze them...this I do not understand.

BTW, one more thing...
The reason why your dog wants to eat its own crap is because of the undigested matter that went from the bag thru its intestines and onto the ground.

Here is a question to ask yourself...
If a dog was on its own and stumbled upon a stalk of corn and a poultry carcass which would it choose to eat?
That's why mine get Natural Balance, zero fillers. It does have some starches, like some formulas have rice or others have sweet potato but it's mostly whatever the main meat ingredient is...which is usually duck, vennison, lamb, or fish.

And I agree 100% fischfan... They are not meant to digest any carbs and very little if any vegetable matter. Dogs are carnivores, and unfortunately dog food companies would rather make a quick buck and use unbelievable amounts of fillers than use quality ingredients.

FYI for everybody, one way to tell if your dog food, or even fish food, as way too much fillers or any fillers period in it is to soak it. If it swells, there's fillers in it. That's why I love Dainichi food, they use very small amounts of flour to just bind the pellet together...I don't even think it swells at all in the water... Where as I've seen OmegaOne pellets swell a lot and NLS only swell a tiny bit...

Anyway right not my dogs are eating this: http://www.naturalbalance.net/dogformulas/LambDog.html

[Bev N]

Hey Ed,

If you want to know the carb content of the foods you use it's pretty easy to get a somewhat close estimate. Add the percentage of protein, fat, fiber, moisture and ash...subtract that from 100 and the rest is carb content. I'm betting most fish foods are at about 25-30% carbs. Then again...I am tired...waiting for the fish to arrive and hoping like heck he isn't 3 hours late again.

[fischfan13]

Actually it is 2% of your dogs "ideal" weight. If your dog weighs 165lbs, and is not overweight, then you should feed him/her a little over 3 lbs of food per day, not 5lbs. See what your dogs "Ideal" weight should be, then calculate.
I buy my food straight from a distributor, and it is pretty cheap. I end up paying less than a dollar per pound, so your $3.75 is way off.

[fischfan13]

That's why mine get Natural Balance, zero fillers. It does have some starches, like some formulas have rice or others have sweet potato but it's mostly whatever the main meat ingredient is...which is usually duck, vennison, lamb, or fish.

And I agree 100% fischfan... They are not meant to digest any carbs and very little if any vegetable matter. Dogs are carnivores, and unfortunately dog food companies would rather make a quick buck and use unbelievable amounts of fillers than use quality ingredients.

FYI for everybody, one way to tell if your dog food, or even fish food, as way too much fillers or any fillers period in it is to soak it. If it swells, there's fillers in it. That's why I love Dainichi food, they use very small amounts of flour to just bind the pellet together...I don't even think it swells at all in the water... Where as I've seen OmegaOne pellets swell a lot and NLS only swell a tiny bit...

Anyway right not my dogs are eating this: http://www.naturalbalance.net/dogformulas/LambDog.html

Ed, here is your food...
Lamb Meal, Brown Rice, Ground White Rice, Rice Bran, Canola Oil, Lamb, Tomato Pomace, Natural Flavor, Potassium Chloride, Choline Chloride, Natural Mixed Tocopherols, Taurine, Vitamin E Supplement, Iron Proteinate, Zinc Proteinate, Copper Proteinate, Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Sulfate, Copper Sulfate, Potassium Iodide, Thiamine Mononitrate, Manganese Proteinate, Manganous Oxide, Ascorbic Acid, Vitamin A Supplement, Biotin, Calcium Pantothenate, Manganese Sulfate, Sodium Selenite, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride (Vitamin B6), Vitamin B12 Supplement, Riboflavin, Vitamin D-3 Supplement, Folic Acid.

Here ya go...
http://www.omaspride.com/

[Bev N]

He's not overweight. He is the size of a small pony. Sherman is a great dane.

That is a bit better than what I figured. Stilll would be about $100 a week retail. Less that $1 a pound isn't bad at all.

[emartin]

Hey Ed,

If you want to know the carb content of the foods you use it's pretty easy to get a somewhat close estimate. Add the percentage of protein, fat, fiber, moisture and ash...subtract that from 100 and the rest is carb content. I'm betting most fish foods are at about 25-30% carbs. Then again...I am tired...waiting for the fish to arrive and hoping like heck he isn't 3 hours late again.
If your method of calculation is correct, then Ultracolor Cichlid has 24% carbs.

I still like my method better...

[Bev N]

Crap..told you I was tired. I'll find it tomorrow. I have it somewhere. I just went thru this with the owner of the company.

[Zippo]

Anyone have dogs that, well to avoid being disgusting, I will say they clean up the yard after themselves? Yup, nasty. They eat crap. In the spring and summer I can clean up the yard to solve this problem. In the winter its melts through the snow and they find it later.

I found a product on Dr Fosters and Smith website that claims to make feces taste so awful that the dogs wont eat it. Kind of ironic.
I though if something tasted awful- it was said to taste like sh*t. So sounds funny to hear of a product that promises to make sh*t taste worse than sh*t? Anyone have this type of problem with their dogs?

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