Bloat?

[joevc1]

I have a Taiwan Reef that is starting to show signs of illness. Yesterday he was not eating as aggressively, not sure if he actually ate or just mouthed the food, and hanging back from the pack. Later last night I noticed a long string of clear/white poop. Also his belly is a bit concaved not bloated. I'm planning to QT him to a 10g tonight when I get home. I have a pack of Clout on hand and can remove one of two AC30 filters from another tank for the 10g. I need to pick up a heater today at lunch time since my only spare is a 300w.

Is this the best course of action? What treatment should I try? All ideas are welcome.

Thanks, Joe

[fischfan13]

http://forums.eastcoastcichlids.org/showthread.php?t=4245

[joevc1]

Wasn't sure it was bloat. I've actually used that Clout treatment a few years ago. Since I have Clout on hand I'll start it tonight, thanks.

[joevc1]

Well, it's been a week and I'm still using Clout as described in the other post with a few additional treatments for day 5 & 6. I received my order of Metro and fed a single NLS pellet soaked in it on Saturday to see if he would eat - and he showed no interest. The fish still looks the same, not getting better but also not getting worse, staying very still in the bottom of the 10g tank. Should I continue the Clout until he looks more lively and eats?

Secondly, in the main tank one of my Jakes has come down with bloat, this one has an enlarged belly and is not eating. I started a Metro treatment in my 125g on Saturday. I figured I should treat the main tank since I don't want to put 2 five inch fish in a 10g with different levels of meds dosed. From what I found on treating with Metro it says to treat for 4-5 days without water changes.

Is there anything else I should do?

Thanks, Joe

[joevc1]

Well, almost another week and no change. I ended up moving the Jake to the 10g and had to put a divider in because the 2 fish were not getting along. Still treating with Clout, water changes every few days. Been soaking NLS in Metro and neither one is interested in eating. Is there any chance these guys will recover at this point?

I've also been treating the main tank with Metro for a week and every thing seems to be OK. will do a large WC tomorrow.

[joevc1]

For about a week now, The Jake has been eating and pooping and has been moved to a 20g. Everything seems back to normal with him. I'll keep him there a few more days and then return him to the main tank.

The Taiwan Reef is the same old story. Last Saturday he ate 2 small NLS pellets soaked in Metro, so I thought he was on his way to recovery. But he has not taken any more food since. Still not getting better or worse. This fish has been like this for over 3 weeks now for the last 4 days I have doubled the clout dose with 50% and continuing wc every day. Yesterday he was trailing more white stringy poop which I have not seen since the start of this illness.

Any ideas are welcome.:confused3:

[Flareside]

Joe, Im sorry I cant help you out. I have been lucky enough not to have had this disease.

Im surprised that nobody else has jumped in three weeks worth of posting to offer you any suggestions

[fischfan13]

Joe, Im sorry I cant help you out. I have been lucky enough not to have had this disease.

Im surprised that nobody else has jumped in three weeks worth of posting to offer you any suggestions

This disease?
What disease is it?
I am not sure if there is anyone here, including myself, that is 100% sure that this is bloat.

I am not a proponent of using meds, as I would much rather salt and continue daily water changes. Seems that Joe, especially in the early stages wasn't even sure it was bloat.

How about this for an idea?
Daily water changes, salt and Jungle Labs Parasite tablets. I know of someone who recently used this med with great success.

[joevc1]

This disease?
What disease is it?
I am not sure if there is anyone here, including myself, that is 100% sure that this is bloat.

That's why the title of the post was "Bloat?" I wasn't sure since the fish had a sunken belly. But since the second one had the classic bloat signs I assumed it was what I needed to keep treating for. Also the fish won't eat so the Jungle Labs Parasite tablets won't work. I thought Met soaked pellets would work better IF eaten since fish would prefer the taste of NLS over the other.

I've been doing water changes every day with epsom salt added and dosing with clout. If it's not bloat or internal parasites what else can it be?

Joe

[fischfan13]

That's why the title of the post was "Bloat?" I wasn't sure since the fish had a sunken belly. But since the second one had the classic bloat signs I assumed it was what I needed to keep treating for. Also the fish won't eat so the Jungle Labs Parasite tablets won't work. I thought Met soaked pellets would work better IF eaten since fish would prefer the taste of NLS over the other.

I've been doing water changes every day with epsom salt added and dosing with clout. If it's not bloat or internal parasites what else can it be?

Joe

Why would you say that?

To the best of my knowledge praziquantel, diflubenzuron, metronidazole, and acriflavine do not need to all be ingested to work.

[joevc1]

Maybe I'm mistaken, is Jungle Labs Parasite tablets a med or medicated food?

Whats the difference between that, Clout and Metro? I thought Clout was the more aggressive med.

Joe

[fischfan13]

CLOUT

Highly effective against:
• Digenetic Flukes
• Planaria
• Parasitic Copepods
• Monogenic Flukes
• Hexamita
• Hydra

Ingredients: 4-[p-(dimethylamino)-)O-Phenylbenzylidene]-2,5-cyclohexadien-1-xylidene dimethylammonium chloride; dimethyl (2,2,2-trichloro-1-hydroxy-ehtel) phosphonate; 1,2-dimmethyl-5 nitromidazole and inert ingredients as non toxic binders.

METRO:
Metronidazole is an effective and safe treatment for several protozoan and anaerobic bacterial diseases of fish (Cryptocaryon, Hexamita, Ichthyophthirus). It does not adversely affect the filter bed when used as directed and is easily removed with carbon. There is little danger of overdosing.

Can be combined with Furan 2 & Kanaplex for parasitic, fungal, & bacterial infections; this duplicates the popular Aquatronics product “Paragon 2” that is no longer available.

JUNGLE LABS:
Now with Praziquantel.
Quickly clears external and internal parasites.
Helps prevent secondary infections.
Will not harm biological filtration.
No need to raise the water temperature.

Clears external and internal parasites. No need to raise the water temperature. Also helps prevent secondary infections and will not harm biological filtration.
Details: Wait 48 hours between treatments. Remove activated carbon. Change 25% of the water before each new treatment. For anchor worms, repeat treatment up to three times, once a week, for three weeks. For fish lice, treat once a week for three to five weeks. DO NOT OVERDOSE. Active ingredients: praziquantel; N-[[(N-Chlorophenyl)amino]carbon 1]-2,6-difluorobenzamide; metronidazole; acriflavine.

[Longstocking]

I think since clout isn't working I would use carbon to remove the clout. Then I would try the metro treatment. Just follow the directions and add it to the water.

[misterted]

I just saw this post.
IMO the stringy white poop is a symptom of bloat and not a parasite. What gets me is the concave belly.
And fish are even hungrier when they have been invaded by a parasite in my experience.
I am a big fan of metro, having used it when I first set up my 265. It really works and IMHO is much better than clout.

[Heyguy74]

I just saw this post.
IMO the stringy white poop is a symptom of bloat and not a parasite.


It is believed that bloat is caused by a parasite

[Tony]

Sorry I haven't said anything in the last couple of weeks, but I'm really bad at diagnosing illnesses and treating them. I generally take advice from Discusnafricans (Mike) on treatment as he's generally over at the house once or twice a week.

The fact that your fish is still alive after having this affliction for 3+ weeks makes me think that you're doing something right. The couple of times I've had fish with bloat, they haven't lasted that long. I say try the Clout again as a follow-up treatment. Never used it, but considering the fish is still fighting, it may have done some good.

Good luck. :)