Experianced Bloat people?

[CJC]

Went into the Troph seen not to long ago, and as alot of us, some got Bloat. Not due to my negligance as I did my homework before deciding to keep Troph's. I purchased quite a few, sold some, And than bought some from a person on a forum. I did not quarenteen the new ones, my bad. After 3 days, I noticed Bloat. I put all fish not eating into a seperate tank and continued placing fish in there with any signs what so ever into that tank. I lost about half.

My ? is, I have not lost any fish for at least 3 weeks now and most that are left in the quarenteen tank are eating. How long does Bloat fester? If these fish have been in the quarentee tank for 3 weeks and are not dead, would you say all are OK to put back in with the healthy ones now? What is the period of time that Bloat will kill a fish? I do not medicate, I'll take the loss no problem.

Thanks,
CJC

[Afreakin]

They should be fine to put back. the only thing i would be concerned with is that they will get stressed and get bloat again. I believe that when you introduce new fish to an existing group they get somewhat stressed. This is a big cause of the onset of immunosuppressed disease. not always true but a possibility.

All IMO

[Fusco]

Hi there
I had a case of Bloat the same as you a real bummer lost half of my colony
lasted a couple of weeks and i did medicate them in a quarantine tank and left them in there for about four weeks until they started to eat and looked healthy then i put them back into the colony with no more problems
so to answer your question yes i think it sounds like they have recovered to be reintroduced but i would keep a keen eye on them and to see if there is any signs of stress or bulling among them as this is also a kick start to bloat
so be very watchful and all the best of luck to you

[DJRansome]

I've had bloat with my Demasoni and agree with the others. Also agree since you aren't changing anything, it's likely to happen again.

Demasoni are kept in a large group. Mine always have one or two sub-dom males that are being chased almost constantly. I find I have to remove one or two a year because with the constant stress, it seems a guarantee it will eventually succumb and sicken the tank if I don't.

Don't know what the stress reducers are for trophs...but see if there are changes you can make.

[CJC]

Thanks for the help. I guess I'll leave them in the 20Gal tank until 1 of the LFS's I sell to is looking for Troph's, don't want to lose another half of a half. The fish are at 2+", wish I could tell males from females at this size.

Thanks again,
CJC

[mack74]

I deal with this problem often and have been very succesfull in getting rid of it. I would treat the tank with metrodenizole for a week. I treat it everyday for 6 days without water changes. I also will soak the nls with it as well before feeding. I moved my trophs to a 75 and lost 3 due to the stress. Since then I have lost none. If a fish is really bad I will put it in a sick tank and treat with clout. I do this as a last resort. I treat with clout the 1st day and then dose again the second day. Third day I change 25% and repeat the process. It has worked really well.

[AMBUSHPREDATOR]

If theyre are eating theyre fine. The reason they got it in the first place probably still exist's. In my OPINIONit almost alway's start's in just two way's. The first way is that your tank is stable and you add new ones. This is a combo problem- 1- Your fish are fine and unstressed and eating then you add fish and stress them. When adding new fish to your tank your fish should be treated as if they are getting moved too and not fed for at least two day's. 2- Anyone who your getting fish from shouldn't feed the ones your getting for at least 3 day's. This is hard for you to control because hey, the fish aren't under your control . Thus it's super important to get them from someone who know's what the hell they're doing. 3- rearrange the tank the new ones are going into so every fish is adapting to the tank and confused at the same time thus evening the playing field. Remember to acclimate the new one's slowly ( drip method ) . Take a good 45-an hour ,it will probably use ten gallons of tank water if you do it right. And now don't feed any of them for an additional 2-3 day's so by the time they eat the stress level in the tank should have dropped to low levels as they all settle in .Now the Second reason is feed sparingly and make sure nothing's left in the tank 2 minutes after feeding. I've fed sinking veggie wafer's for years and it makes them work for they're meal and adds ton of vegetable matter and low protein. Twice a week they get a shrimp or plankton flake in addition to they're meal ( morning only ). Sunday's they don't eat , in my crazy world I believe this let's theyre stomachs empty out and monday is like a clean start. In addition make sure not to feed for at least three hour's before you turn the light's off, giving them time to clean any remaining food from the tank. If you don't have three hours just leave the light's on . You don't want to have food lying in the tank for 12 hour's festoring until you fish wake up . Enjoy your troph's

[AMBUSHPREDATOR]

Oh yea , Ive never had bloat but I've heard my method work's . HA HA HA

[Afreakin]

I think that an important key is aquascaping

You have to have areas for the male to protect and have them want to stay by those areas and not venture far to harass others or pack them in so aggression is spread out so they can blend in and get lost

[CJC]

AP, thank god. I'd hate to have to buy enough Metro & Clout to cure you.

[Aqualung]

I go right to the Clout..Treat the whole tank for as long as it takes.. I dont like moving them to a seperate tank,it makes it that much harder to reintroduce them back to the main tank.. Remember carbon out if you use it..Keep the tank in the dark,if you have to cover it with something to reduce aggression while they recover.. Joey:dopey::jump:

[AMBUSHPREDATOR]

I also find that bloat is much rarer as they get older and if one get's it it doesn't spread like it does in a tank full of juvies. Either they're intestines are larger or they might have a bit of immunity or even they stay away from bad food as they grow.